I'm working for a big tech company in California. Yesterday all employees received an email from our security guys.
We have to deactivate all personal assistant gadgets (like Alexa) during worktime in the homeoffice.
They have evidence that these gadgets are recording audio from conference calls.
Nothing new to me but notable that I've got this order.
@vatrox So infact you also have to turn out your mobile. I mean many of them also have digital assistance integrated.
@vatrox next week you are going to receive an email stating that they have evidence that personal assistant gadgets contact servers on the internet when you connect the device to your WiFi😂
@vatrox can you share any more details? If so that is a big issue, and bold claims need bold proof.
I'm not personally impacted because those things can GTFO of my life/home/work, but I'm amazed at how people let that into their private sphere.
@tfb @dch @vatrox Yea, IIRC there was a data centre in Romania that screened huge volumes of the data going through Alexa, and I think even some of the Irish call centre teams in Cork are rumoured to handle Apple's Siri system sometimes.
It's part of the ongoing training process for the models, sure - anything marginal (got a non-US accent? Got a cold? COPD?) gets shipped off for clarification and validation to train the models.
But also just, if you can't be understood maybe they get someone to tell the model what you meant so you get your answers / they get their data.
The implication that this can/is being used to collect *all* voice data, even if not summoned (e.g. during conference call), and then processed for nefarious purposes, that is where I'm dubious.
If the ACLU thinks these devices aren't listening full time, I consider that as reasonable assurance.
@dch @vatrox One of the problems those "assistants" have is exactly false activation. The reports of what was in the recordings made it clear that there's a real problem of recordings being made without the intent to activate the "assistant". If you don't want to risk being recorded, the only thing to do is avoid them completely.
@tfb @vatrox @dch #politifact is not a good source to cite because they are privacy abusers themselves. Your link sends people to a #CloudFlare website. I had to use the #WaybackMachine to read the article, which states: "technology experts told us it’s against Amazon policy to constantly record customers" <= yet you can't trust #Amazon's word.
It's also Yet Another Internet Connected Microphone in your house... just because the manufacturer isn't listening intentionally, it doesn't mean no one else is...
That's why the Secret Service won't let Peloton One into the White House.
Also, privacy policies change at a moment's notice (like Facebook mining WhatsApp data)
@float13 @tfb @vatrox @dch Indeed, it's not only Amazon who Alexa users must trust. It's also worth noting that in the case of the OP, even if Alexa only records what the user expects, staff /can/ talk to Alexa before, after, and during sensitive workplace chatter. So of course it's sensible to have a company policy to deactivate them.
It's simpler: Don't have any contact with those people.
I mean, yes, I know what you are going to answer. But in the end, what do you get from those people beyond all kinds of annoyances when interacting with them?
I tell people since years that I will not visit them at home if they have an Alexa running.
And, in the end, this is kind of symbolic, and would urgently need to be enhanced to all people with similar stuff running on their mobile phones.
@pino_ac thats absurd and at best impractical. My best DE speaking friends here: alexa. My best EN speaking friend: alexa. My family: none of these crazy devices because the bandwidth cost in NZ is too high. My extended family has siri enabled all over the place, particularly for the elderly. It's really useful for people who aren't fully mobile.
I would reduce my contact circle by 70% if I chose this, higher even than if I refused to go to people who aren't vegetarian.
Reducing the contact circle by whatever percentage is not absurd per se. That would need a deeper explanation why it's absurd to exclude idiots from my contacts.
If practical or not is also kind of subjective. For some people it's completely unbearable (so: impractical) to have a contact circle full of fools that put spies around themselves that constantly record audio and send it to "somewhere in the cloud". Better to have less (but useful) contacts maybe.
@vatrox If only someone had warned them before…
Will they publish that evidence? Many of us suspected that for a long time already (and I refused meetings in rooms with activated Alexas) but were ignored. I know of places with paranoid security measures where in the central places they use such gadgets. Always told them that's a security risk, never was believed (only smiled at "knowingly").
I am working on a Project in my freetime which checks exaxtly when a smart device IoT) communicates with the cloud, then it tells you which known pattern (Type of device) it its.
The Main Fokus is on Fingerprinting the device and the Guess the MUD (RFC 8520) URL.
Im am shortly before releasing it officialy but there is a demo instance and Documentation availae already
I will check if i can Export the documentation before lunch
@doenietzomoeilijk @everlastingrocks @fatboy @vatrox i mean maybe the capacitive coupling of some wires in there varies as they jiggle in sound waves. Or it can do wifi without a wifi chip and detect redshift from vibrating objects.
If you're getting rid of them, i'll buy them. (not seriously) My next phone is a Huawei, i will decorate with commie China covers and make the ringtone the Chinese anthem, btw.
What chance against spying do we stand anyway.
@vatrox My wife and I decided a long time ago that having a hot mic in our house that is connected to the internet was a bad idea! Who would have thought???
...and your TV, and your toaster, and your vacuum, and your refrigerator, and your doorbell, and The Elf on the Shelf... :)
@vatrox I'm dumbfounded that this issue hasn't occurred to more people.
I don't actually permit Alexa speakers into my house. If it's a Kindle it has Alexa disabled. The same goes for other voice assistants.
@vatrox So, how long you think before we are asked to work from home in a Faraday cage and have our internet brought in over fiber into the cage to ensure privacy?
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