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🇩🇪🚨Unter dänischer Führung soll die schon am 14. Oktober beschlossen werden! parlament.gv.at/dokument/XXVII (S. 31)

Entscheidend ist Deutschland: Weder Union noch SPD haben digitales Briefgeheimnis und sichere Verschlüsselung bisher zur roten Linie erklärt...

Patrick Breyer

🇬🇧🚨 Under Danish leadership, is to be adopted as early as October 14! parlament.gv.at/dokument/XXVII (p. 31)

The decisive factor is Germany: neither Conservatives nor Socialists have yet declared digital privacy of correspondence and secure encryption to be a red line.

@echo_pbreyer Please, just let it die. Politicians can spy on their own communications if they want to. Leave ours alone.

@elgregor @echo_pbreyer I think one of the most impactful things someone could do in this situation is to hack politicians' phones and publish their communication. Or maybe their immediate family. They need to feel affected too instead of thinking it's somehow just a tool of oppression that they can use against us voters.

@echo_pbreyer I somehow cannot look at SPD being translated as Socialists even though the S in their name sort of suggests that.
To readers not familiar with German politics: They are a center-left party and given their domestic politics from the last few years i wouldnt be surprised to see them actively supporting #chatcontrol. The Green and Left parties in our parliament would oppose it but are not part of the government coalition and even combined with SPD they wouldnt have a majority

@sco_tty @echo_pbreyer that's because the correct term would be "social democrats", not socialists.

@echo_pbreyer Is adopted the right word here? Doesn't it have to go through a EU Parliament vote? (And also a Council vote, but presumably they negotiate that before introducing it to Parliament.)

@scvalex Technically they want the Council to adopt a general approach, i.e. a position on the proposal, so that trilogue negotiations can begin.

@echo_pbreyer Ah, ok. Thanks. So, less "adopted" and more "seriously consider it"?

@echo_pbreyer I'm nitpicking here, but I'm slightly annoyed because your original post kind of makes it sound like "the EU will ban encryption and institute a surveillance state on October 14!!!" and that kind of discounts most of the legislative process and all the checks and balances it contains.

@echo_pbreyer
Not to mention that even if this legislation were to be passed, the judicial branch then gets a shot at it and the ECJ would likely strike anything that sounds like mass surveillance down on the grounds that it violates Article 7 ("respect for private communications") of the Charter of Fundamental Rights of European Union.

@scvalex @echo_pbreyer Thanks for making these points. I'm weary of seeing over-reactions from American libertarians online who know nothing about the EU and its decision making processes some of whom likely have insane fantasies about their need to own AR-15s.

I am concerned too and utterly opposed (and fully intent on non-compliance if such legislation was ever passed) by the synonymisation of the desires of some advocates with the whole EU, seems harmful to me.

@scvalex @echo_pbreyer not suggesting PB is anything of the sort, ofc

@echo_pbreyer @cryptohagen The current Danish government is obsessed with surveillance so I’m not surprised. They claim surveillance brings safety and freedom. George Orvell may disagree.

@echo_pbreyer Can someone translate what "legislative deliberations" of the "Justice and Home Affairs Council" means in any language that's not EU-speak?

@bstacey This means dealing with proposed legislation