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@bjn @anandamide @ZachWeinersmith I think I still have its counterpart, Robert Zubrin's "The Case for Mars", lying around. I haven't read it. I probably never will. It would infuriate me too much.

@hopfgeist @bjn @anandamide Zubrin disagrees with us a lot, but I would say he's the best opposition voice in book-length. His science is totally solid, it's just a matter of how you feel about his planning and analysis of history and values, etc.

@ZachWeinersmith @bjn @anandamide oh, that's a great endorsement, maybe I should read it after all. Thanks for your reply.

@hopfgeist @bjn @anandamide I think it'd be informative. He genuinely dislikes us (the words "dishonest" and "enemy" have been used) but it's essentially the classic work in the field. Musk is a fan of it. If you want to know where the community is at, it's pretty central. We just think it skips over a lot of potential showstoppers and relies on theories of history that are inaccurate.

Bernd

@ZachWeinersmith @bjn @anandamide the X-Plane flight simulator had a "Mars" mode, simulating Mars gravity and atmospheric conditions. While we were developing planes to fly in that "thin air" (which we now know definitively to be totally possible), some 10 years ago, the book was mentioned a couple of times.