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This is a big deal:
The W3C, founded in 1994 by web inventor Tim Berners-Lee, has quit X and declared the fediverse to be their primary social media channel. Follow them at: @w3c
The future of the open web is .. the open web.
@eloquence why is it?
W3C does not stand for an open web. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encrypted_Media_Extensions
@eloquence ever tried participating in the W3C standardization process? Be rich or go home!
@fluepke @eloquence There are certainly grounds to critique the W3C, but we are writing these messages using ActivityPub, a W3C standard that has definitely advanced the open web and manifestly is not dominated by “rich” interests.
@LiberalArtist @eloquence W3C also made Decentralized Identifiers (self-sovereign identity blockchain bullshit) a "web standard" that the European Union will likely force upon us with the EUDI-Wallet.
In Germany, @Lilith and I caused the #IDWallet to fail after some basic IT security research.
This technology will discriminate minorities, enforce borders on the internet and be used for mining PII.
It is the opposite of an open web.
I got really upset observing some blockchain startup hipsters with the necessary money hijack the W3C standardization procedure to give their terrible stupid ideas the legitimacy of a "web standard".
And there is nothing you, as an individual, can do. As an individual you can neither read the WG's mailinglist nor can you participate in any discussions … or you pay the money and become a member^w lobbyist.
That sucks and is undemocratic!
@fluepke @LiberalArtist @eloquence We can totally criticise the W3C in many, many areas but let's clarify a few important things:
- A ton of WG/CG mailing lists are open: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ It is also possible to participate there.
- Many WG/CGs use public GH repos and one can make "substantial contributions" by becoming an Invited Expert. This system is far from perfect, obviously, but it does exist.
- Many of the W3C CGs are open and everyone can join.
With that out of the way, can you reference the WG or CG you're talking about which denied public access to the mailing list and severely restricted individual contributions?
Edit: You're probably referring to https://www.w3.org/2019/did-wg Their mailing list is publicly available here: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-did-wg/ Spec repo is here: https://github.com/w3c/did-core and creating issues is allowed (this is how I got invited to another group btw).
@f09fa681 try getting invited (and not thrown out immediately) as an expert after just destroying their first large-scale nationwide DID roll-out. Good luck.
@fluepke If that doesn't make you an expert, what does? Have you tried?
Can't speak for the DID people because I dealt with another WG but I can tell you, they weren't exactly known to be very open either but I still got invited. Sometimes it's nice to be surprised. Not all people who work in such WGs are mindless sycophants which close themselves off towards critics, even if they work for a company or towards a goal with questionable ethics.