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@riley @foone they already do with unacceptable "#ToS" and laws that criminalize said #API0...

Infosec.SpaceKevin Karhan :verified: (@kkarhan@infosec.space)One thing that really pisses me off personally is the #regression in terms of #Messenger #Apps. My personal distaste and dislike for #proprietary, #SingleVendor & #SingleProvider #services like #Signal [¹](https://infosec.space/@kkarhan/114234551915193036) [²](https://infosec.space/@kkarhan/114935952643402592), #Telegram, #Discord [³](https://infosec.space/@kkarhan/114865723904157014), #WhatsApp [⁴](https://infosec.space/@kkarhan/114873895410403238), #Slack, #MicrosoftTeams, etc. aside: - *WHY* is there no #CrossProvider #Messenger to handle that shite? - *WHY* does everyone of these shitty providers think people want to download their #bloated #WebApp that takes up triple digit Megabytes if not entire Gigabytes and will gobble up all the #RAM and #CPU each of them can?? This problem ain't new and *already got [solved for corporate social media](https://infosec.space/@kkarhan/114862619013462466) ages ago!* (Not to mention actually good messengers!) - And no, [bridges](https://toots.ch/@dalai/114862754556459439) *[don't](https://swecyb.com/@troed/114862774972645542) count*! - I mean `API 0` - [style](https://digipres.club/@foone/112685423773959519) access because obviously [none of the platforms](https://digipres.club/@foone/112685414638522984) will *allow, endorse or support such an endeavour* and [*actively fight the developers and users*](https://digipres.club/@foone/112685441496803574) ! So yeah, consider this a call for a @gajim@fosstodon.org / #Gajim or @pidgin@fosstodon.org / #Pidgin *for garbage platforms!* - Cuz back in the day we had *way worse messengers* yet people actually made #AIM, #ICQ, #MSN, #QQ, #IRC & #XMPP work just fine from one single *"phat" client*! - Can we please get that back? Cuz #WastefulComputing pisses me off! #api0 #Enshittification
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@troed @dalai @foone The problem will be that one will have to reimplement the "#API" as #api0 from scratch by running inspectors in browsers all the time...

  • Remember: The platforms that run these are hostile to the very idea of said phat client.

It'll necessitate all api 0 calls to come from the same #IPv4 and/or #IPv6 as the end-user and hide itself with a fake #UserAgent to prevent countermeasures like #RateLimiting and #blocking.

digipres.clubFoone🏳️‍⚧️ (@foone@digipres.club)The basic philosophy of adversarial automation is that the software/website is the enemy.
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@troed @dalai yes, you did misunderstood it as it's still some shitty bridging which runs a way higher risk of getting blocked by #API changes instead of a *"cleanroom" implementation that parses the webinterface and web API with a regular #UserAgent like a #Browser.

Or as @foone said: "#api0"

  • It should be broken down to something that is not dependent on centralized infrastructure to work!
Infosec.SpaceKevin Karhan :verified: (@kkarhan@infosec.space)One thing that really pisses me off personally is the #regression in terms of #Messenger #Apps. My personal distaste and dislike for #proprietary, #SingleVendor & #SingleProvider #services like #Signal [¹](https://infosec.space/@kkarhan/114234551915193036) [²](https://infosec.space/@kkarhan/114935952643402592), #Telegram, #Discord [³](https://infosec.space/@kkarhan/114865723904157014), #WhatsApp [⁴](https://infosec.space/@kkarhan/114873895410403238), #Slack, #MicrosoftTeams, etc. aside: - *WHY* is there no #CrossProvider #Messenger to handle that shite? - *WHY* does everyone of these shitty providers think people want to download their #bloated #WebApp that takes up triple digit Megabytes if not entire Gigabytes and will gobble up all the #RAM and #CPU each of them can?? This problem ain't new and *already got [solved for corporate social media](https://infosec.space/@kkarhan/114862619013462466) ages ago!* (Not to mention actually good messengers!) - And no, [bridges](https://toots.ch/@dalai/114862754556459439) *[don't](https://swecyb.com/@troed/114862774972645542) count*! - I mean `API 0` - [style](https://digipres.club/@foone/112685423773959519) access because obviously [none of the platforms](https://digipres.club/@foone/112685414638522984) will *allow, endorse or support such an endeavour* and [*actively fight the developers and users*](https://digipres.club/@foone/112685441496803574) ! So yeah, consider this a call for a @gajim@fosstodon.org / #Gajim or @pidgin@fosstodon.org / #Pidgin *for garbage platforms!* - Cuz back in the day we had *way worse messengers* yet people actually made #AIM, #ICQ, #MSN, #QQ, #IRC & #XMPP work just fine from one single *"phat" client*! - Can we please get that back? Cuz #WastefulComputing pisses me off! #api0 #Enshittification
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I mean, these ain't like in the old days where a few Megabytes got you #Pidgin and other Multi-Protocol Clients of the old days where everyone had to implement bespoke, custom and incompatible and often completely undocumented, proprietary protocols like #ICQ, #AIM, #SIPE, etc.

  • Nowadays all these do have some kind of #WebApp or Web Interface one can just login (because none of them do proper #E2EE with #SelfCustody of all the keys!) so this should be way easier these days:
  • All they do is do HTTP(S) GET/POST so the most critical part is to attain credentials like a #Login #cookie and to basically run a console on i.e. #Firefox to reverse-engineer the "#API0"...
en.wikipedia.orgComparison of cross-platform instant messaging clients - Wikipedia

One thing that really pisses me off personally is the #regression in terms of #Messenger #Apps.

My personal distaste and dislike for #proprietary, #SingleVendor & #SingleProvider #services like #Signal ¹ ², #Telegram, #Discord ³, #WhatsApp , #Slack, #MicrosoftTeams, etc. aside:

  • WHY is there no #CrossProvider #Messenger to handle that shite?

  • WHY does everyone of these shitty providers think people want to download their #bloated #WebApp that takes up triple digit Megabytes if not entire Gigabytes and will gobble up all the #RAM and #CPU each of them can??

This problem ain't new and already got solved for corporate social media ages ago! (Not to mention actually good messengers!)

So yeah, consider this a call for a @gajim / #Gajim or @pidgin / #Pidgin for garbage platforms!

  • Cuz back in the day we had way worse messengers yet people actually made #AIM, #ICQ, #MSN, #QQ, #IRC & #XMPP work just fine from one single "phat" client!

  • Can we please get that back? Cuz #WastefulComputing pisses me off!

Infosec.SpaceKevin Karhan :verified: (@kkarhan@infosec.space)Content warning: Rant re: Signal Shills being dangerous Tech Illiterates